Pauline Hanson and One Nation
The Party Shadow Ministers.
Education ..........................Pauline Hanson
Justice ..............................Pauline Hanson
Veteran Affairs......................Pauline Hanson
Climate Change ....................Roberts
Is there really a need for a Turnbull, a Shorten? With this star-studded field, the need to see the budget returned to surplus is a assured.
Why are Australians a nation of gamblers?
Malcolm Turnbull gave
Pauline a resounding slap on the wrist with a feather today and the masses came
out in voice! This is an article that was run by the Sydney Morning Herald
...but its value was the comments that followed. This nation is a scammers
delight ...read on :
Malcolm Turnbull has finally called out Pauline Hanson on her nonsense
Pauline Hanson doesn't like the government's "no jab, no pay" child vaccination scheme because she reckons it's like a "dictatorship". But she quite likes Vladimir Putin who is, by many measures, an actual dictator.
She doesn't like Muslims – wants to ban them all from coming into our country – allegedly because a tiny percentage of them want to kill Australians. Yet Putin – who is ultimately responsible for killing 38 Australians, many more than Islamic State has so far managed – she admires and respects as a strong patriot.
Hanson's comments spark outrage
One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has urged parents do their own research about the merits of vaccination before immunising their children. Courtesy ABC News 24.
She's always banging on about upholding Australian values, but then heaps praise on a man who tramples democracy, ignores the rule of law, invades neighbouring countries and murders his critics. Are they Aussie values?
Of all the ill-informed, contradictory nonsense that spews forth from hyper-nationalist populists such as Hanson – usually just mindlessly parroting the US tweeter-in-chief – this praise for Putin is perhaps the most troubling.
It is in no way a conservative position.
Nothing could be more radical than suggesting that successful Western liberal democracies should embrace authoritarianism.
You know who else would like Australia to embrace authoritarianism? The proponents of sharia law Hanson rails against.
Good on Malcolm Turnbull for finally – albeit rather gently – calling Hanson out for this rubbish. Yes, he needs her on side to pass legislation through the Senate but he should not let this stuff go through to the keeper unchallenged. It's notable he did not call her out for her latest Islamophobic outburst, though.
In her interview, Hanson said Muslims hated the West and wanted to impose their thoughts, beliefs, laws and way of life on Australians.
Not radical Muslims, not extremist Muslims, just Muslims as a whole, even though 99.9 per cent of them are peaceful, law-abiding citizens.
Where did I get that number? From none other than Duncan Lewis, the head of ASIO, who told a Senate estimates committee last week only a couple of hundred of Australia's 500,000 Muslims are of any concern.
Therein lies the most egregious of Hanson's contradictions.
She says she wants to keep Australians safe but the people who actually risk their lives doing just that say Hanson's rhetoric – holding the vast majority of Muslims responsible for the sins of a misguided few – has the opposite effect.
Turnbull should call her out on that, too.
Comments from readers (204)
MichaelCanberra (the place polititians don't come from),Mar 6 2017 at 7:26am
It would seem the height of ignorance and hypocrisy for Turnbull to be challenging the views of Hanson when he refuses to rebuke or question the homophobic, xenophobic, anti-science views of his many on his own coalition back bench.
|Pluto Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 7:47am|
True. But then, what can he do when he is hanging by a thread?
|DrigeMar 6 2017 at 7:57am|
And anyway, a man with no spine isn't capable of standing up to anyone
|Piped PiperMar 6 2017 at 8:17am|
I tend to agree. Calling out Hanson should have happened alot earlier. Her views have somewhat been normalised in the mainstream, I've always said as a free speech advocate that in order for free speech to flourish in a western democracy, stupidity needs to be called out by our leaders with a megaphone if we are to maintain a free, secular and liberal democracy otherwise we have senators and MPs giving high praise and the benefit of the doubt to dangerous authoritarian rulers while at the same time castigating and heaping collective guilt on a minority group.
|davemacMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 8:25am|
It's a sad state of affairs when someone like Hanson gets enough of the vote to be treated seriously enough to be interviewed on a serious show like Insiders. You could almost see Barry's jaw dropping with some of the rubbish this woman comes out with.
Like last time around, One Nation will be seen to not be the answer (hell if they are the answer what's the question) for the disaffected. Please make this sooner rather than later.
|Oh ReallyMel,Mar 6 2017 at 8:40am|
Yes a man without a spine and no vision but ied ndea man who is a banker and not a leader, a man who quotes that you as a parent should pay the deposit for your child's first home he is a man who only looks after his rich sponsors and political elite colleagues that is Mr Turnbull in a nutshell .
|enough is enoughMar 6 2017 at 8:52am|
Turnbull has also called out Di Natale and Shorten. Two of Australia's most dangerous politicians who will do anything to gain power.
|DarcySydney,Mar 6 2017 at 8:55am|
The frailties of Pauline Hanson and her policies and principles were there for
all to see when questioned by Barry Cassidy on The Insiders yesterday. More of
the same from the media and other politicians would see her really struggling.
She has nowhere near the qualities needed to be a Leader. She is relying solely on the disenchantment and fringe vote of people with nowhere else to turn after being forgotten by the major parties.
|MarkOz,Mar 6 2017 at 9:09am|
Pied piper- you obviously need to do research on the totalitarian idealogy concealed by a pagan god so one doesn't come across as looking like the pot talking about the kettle.otherwise you won't comprehend the rapidly declining base of the left because others have decided to conduct research and react accordingly. Ignorance due to political idealogy is still ignorance.
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 9:12am|
Here's the clue, davemac. The elite talents the effectively run things need to make sure that ordinary people have a fair, meaningful and participative role in society and all your problems re Hanson will go away.
BrettoSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 9:12am
Piped Piper - well said, spot on.
|mehMar 6 2017 at 9:23am|
@eie - I bet neither Shorten or Di Natale has a spare $1,750,000.00 to contribute to their own election.
Such money is only available to a man who is willing to do anything to get elected.
|Homage to Catalonia Brisbane ,Mar 6 2017 at 9:24am|
This is why we need a dose of Corbynism.
|The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 9:28am|
@enough is enough: The leader of PHONy is the most dangerous politician this country, followed closely by these clowns that pass themselves off as the federal government.
|Sir RexSomewhere near Noosa,Mar 6 2017 at 9:32am|
@8:17am I too am a supporter of free speech but unfortunately many of those who
claim to support free speech seem to forget that everyone else in the room has a
freedom of speech right to reply.
All too often those who talk the Hanson or Trump or whomever talk will howl down anyone who tries to reply declaring that those people 'are against free speech!'
Nooo... free speech means you put it out there then you need to be prepared for others to do the same.
And that means not describing it as 'fake news' because you don't like what you hear.
This whole melodramatic labelling of things as 'fake news' is in-fact a great way to suppress freedom of speech.
(I'm not talking about actual "Martians have taken over the Whitehouse' fake news, I'm talking about the 'I don't agree with you/like what you're saying so therefore what you say is fake news' type of fake news.
Man it's getting confusing...)
|The ClawSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 9:34am|
Hanson doesn't get to vote in a Liberal Party leadership ballot, so she's a valid target.
|Piped PiperMar 6 2017 at 9:38am|
I studied all Abrahamic religions as part of my degree and even went to the Middle East as part of my studies to consult with professors in this field. What are your qualifications to comment, Google? Have you even lived in a Muslim country? I have, albeit for a few months and sharia wasn’t imposed on me nor was my way of life regulated. So how on earth would 1% of the population impose Sharia if they can't even impose it in a country with a Muslim population of 95%. If you think I’m of the left then you must be so far to the right. And by the way it's ideology.
|enough is enoughMar 6 2017 at 9:42am|
The Greens and ALP get more than $1.75m from the CNFEU, let alone the other
Unions also identified in the Union RC. Look at Shorten's time at the AWU
ripping off worker's penalty rates and employment. All with the backing of the
Union movement. Even Shorten's FWC and his mates running it want to reduce
penalty rates. The pattern is consistent and the ALP/Greens coalition has a lot
to answer for.
Hanson is the least of our worries.
|A country galMar 6 2017 at 9:44am|
That's precisely what Golding's cartoon alludes to.
He's too weak to call out his own.
|JTMar 6 2017 at 10:29am|
eie...if the Greens and ALP were a coalition.....guess what.....we would have a hung parliament....no one seat majority for the liars and nationalistic party LNP....all equal.....and they would just romp it in if an election were to be held today......you see eie.........there are more people willing to go back to ALP and Green policies than put up with this destructive regressive govt.....700,000 with a pay cut and 1 million pensioners gone backwards so far this year......see how they fare next election and then I expect you will up the ante on Bill Shorten, our next PM I'm sure. But at least he will be our Prime Minister with the empathy for those who are struggling today.
|OdinMar 6 2017 at 10:33am|
The jellyfish gets to be a vertebrate for a day. Too bad he can't slap down the neanderthals in his own party but I will say I'm glad he slapped down the red-headed clown. She wears her utter ignorance as a badge of honour. She would be a bigger disaster than Trump if she had control of government
|Vote Mal Eat PalMar 6 2017 at 10:38am|
"One of the great attractions of patriotism - it fulfils our worst wishes. In
the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat. Bully and
cheat, what's more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous."
|KIDDINGMar 6 2017 at 10:47am|
EIE, if you have children you ought to be worried very worried, if Hanson can convince enough people that vaccination should not be compulsory we will have the worst health problem in decades. It's fine for you to bang on about the greens and Labour, they are not running the country, but by default the agenda as the coalition have been in opposition mode since 2013. I feel for you having to support this incompetent mob.
|The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 10:50am|
@Pluto: He could do the honourable thing and resign, thus allowing Dumpty Dutton to fulfill his destiny to become PM.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:00am|
He'll still gladly accept Hanson's vote and Hanson is too stupid to hold a grudge and vote against the Liberals.
|bettyMar 6 2017 at 11:21am|
Thank you Vote Mal Eat Pal @ 11.38 for reminding us how a great mind can help see through the baloney.
|Realist Mar 6 2017 at 11:24am|
Beautifully put, Watcher. Hanson is receiving protest votes, nothing more. Fix the inequality, give everyone a _reasonable_ stake in society and kick away the barriers (uni fees?) to social mobility for the talented and watch this nonsense evaporate. Sadly, convulsed in their greed, I can't see the 1% showing the wisdom to take the necessary steps.
|Ordinary AussieMar 6 2017 at 11:34am|
Let's face facts Hanson is only in Politics for the $220,000 Senators salary and perks. Let's drop Parliamentary salaries to say $60,000 then we will get good everyday decent Australians into parliament instead of the Bishops Mirabellas Abbotts Rudds Gillards etc
|MarkOZ,Mar 6 2017 at 11:47am|
Pied piper- Oh really, then explain the islamic law of abrogation to us. Medina
Islam abrogating meccan Islam. In summary Is ISIS real islam or a distant
If you have actually studied islam and its totalitarian history and ambitions and are not Muslim then it would not be possible to support it!
Your answer or lack of will be good enough.
|MarkOZ,Mar 6 2017 at 11:58am|
Pied piper- Idealogy is correct when discussing this totalitarian doctrine and i
didnt mention sharia.Oh and the Muslim population is 2.7% in Australia and
already has 3 Australian federal politicians whereas hindus at same amount have
France is whats happens at 10%.
Oh and my thoughts out today to the west papuans who are now 45% of their own native population in only 30 years.
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 12:17pm|
Her frailty and stilted arguments are a function of the magnitude of the opposition in front of her. At least you know she means what she says. Right now, I'd rather hear her homespun and rustic view of the world than the polished spin of the senior politicians in either Red team or Blue team. The latter two don't speak to us, they speak past us.
|housemartinhong kong,Mar 6 2017 at 12:29pm|
davemac: "It's a sad state of affairs when someone like Hanson gets enough of the vote to be treated seriously enough to be interviewed on a serious show like Insiders."
No, what is sad is that the left holds the view that as a member of Parliament she should have no right to put forward her views forward even if they disagree with them, that's anti democratic and anti free speech in its purest form. Now Adam, that's totalitarian isn't it?
|housemartinhong kong,Mar 6 2017 at 12:43pm|
Hanson will be the least of your worries, for if Shorten manages to sleaze his way into the Lodge on backflips, hypocrisy and populism then Australia's going to have the most regressive and aggressive left wing government in this nation's history. Mark my words, Shorten will surrender to the unions, blow household energy budgets to smithereens with his 50% RET not to mention compromise the entire energy security landscape with it, he will throw open the borders bringing with it disastrous and catastrophic consequences and he will then pander to the welfare crowd with more handouts from an already bloated and unsustainable social security account. This of course will blow the Federal budget to kingdom come and most of us here will never see another surplus in our lifetimes because of it. This accords with his statement that he and Labor will realise a longer time frame than the Coalition in bringing the budget back to surplus.
I'm no fan of Turnbull at all, but it is every Australian's duty to prevent Labor from getting their hands on the levers of government as they show that they are still absolutely unfit to govern. Don't be fooled that the only consistency within that party for the moment is their ability to keep their internal tension quiet, because as sure as night follows day they will eventually explode and when they do they will then take the nation's finances with them as they sail off into wealthy retirement. Australia, you have been warned.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:16pm|
"Hanson will be the least of your worries, for if Shorten manages to sleaze his way into the Lodge on backflips, hypocrisy and populism then Australia's going to have the most regressive and aggressive left wing government in this nation's history. Mark my words, Shorten will surrender to the unions,"
Apart from the apocalyptic rhetoric, Shorten is not running for Parliament in Hong Kong.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:19pm|
hello Mark OZ,
And yet those 3 Muslim MPs have not tried to introduce Sharia law or totalitarian rule, in fact they seem to be democrats. Perhaps on this one Piped Piper talks sense.
|Piped PiperMar 6 2017 at 1:46pm|
@Mark. I don't need to ask a religious scholar, historian or Dr Google what is common sense. If abrogation of the peaceful verses was actually true then why do we hear of 1,700 year old churches in Iraq being destroy, Palmyra being destroyed, ancient minority group facing ethnic cleansing after 1500 years of Islam? If ISIS is representative of Islam and the much wider orthodoxy then these places, houses of worship and ethnic groups would have ceased to exist a long long time ago.
|housemartinhong kong,Mar 6 2017 at 1:47pm|
Ross: If you want Australia to be completely smashed then vote for Shorten. I'll ignore the HK bit, childish really.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 2:05pm|
Before you accuse anyone of being childish, remember it was you who questioned MY knowledge of my own community. It was you who considered google to know more about where I live than I do.
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:09pm|
Mark, the latest published census figures (from 2011) indicate Muslims are 2.2% of the population, behind Buddhists 2.5%. They are growing at about the same rate as other non-Christian religions. Do you have credible data for the 2.7%? Even if that's accurate, it's hardly 'swamping', and would reflect about a commensurate proportion to have 3 MPs. In 2011, there were 1.3% Hindus, so they would be far less likely to have such representation. One of those Muslim MPs is my local member, whom I know personally; a less extremist or ideological character would be hard to find. He publicly supports marriage equality (even if, as Jason has correctly pointed out in an earlier thread, his public advocacy on that is fairly recent - privately he has supported it for a long time). And 'idealogical' doesn't exist in the Oxford dictionary, so it doesn't describe anything. All religions are full of 'abrogations' of other sub-sects - Protestants and Catholics, Orthodox and Progressive Jews etc. And 'pagan' god? We pagans don't believe in any god(s).
Piper, thanks for injecting some knowledge and commonsense from a non-left perspective.
· FilbyMar 6 2017 at 7:42am
Blimey, that was a funny old interview. Paulines razor sharp intellect was on full display and poor old Barrie seemed confused most of the time. I liked the bit where Pauline has basically forgiven every dictator and despot who has ever walked the earth because they personally did not press a button or fire a gun. Fair enough if you are going to vote for ON, but please check this interview out before making a decision.
|Buffalo Bill Sydneys Northshore,Mar 6 2017 at 8:43am|
Her Interview was as much of a train wreck as Barnaby Joyce inflicted upon us.
|slatibaadfastLakes E,Mar 6 2017 at 9:37am|
I didn't watch it, not interested in puppet shows, however, did either of them raise the topic of recent, (since Reagan) U.S. presidents and their war-mongering? the fact that the U.S. is the largest arms dealer on the planet? the number of wars they have started but not declared? who they have armed to overthrow a government they don't like, and it has nothing to do with democracy? oh wait, none of them 'pushed the button' either so that makes it alright. families are being wiped out in Syria as we speak, not because of a despotic leader, whom just happens to be very popular with his people (a la hussein in Iraq and Gadaffi in Libya, if you DON'T listen to western media) but because those leaders won't 'toe the line'. Hason as a power bloc and leader? I hope not but we have both sides of politics (and the greens) are nothing but empty sacks being steered and directed by big business and invested interests, none of whom are the mug voters. the rise of Trump, hanson and a plethora of political parties around the globe is an indication 'something is very rotten in denmark'. commentors, many on this page are all arguing where to place the deck chairs on a currently sinking ship, while the real problem is our lack of intelligent leadership and 'patriotic' parliamentarians.
|bettyMar 6 2017 at 11:28am|
Unfortunately, while the Senator was enlightening us with her well reasoned and
informed objection to immunisation, Barrie didn't ask her what she understood by
the term herd immunity.
My guess is her response would have been as telling as Joh Bjelke-Petersen's when he was asked to explain the separation of powers.
|BabyBoomerSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:11pm|
Barrie was polite and questions were rather tame compared to Lib/Labor members. He gave her every opportunity to make herself look like a complete dolt and she didn't disappoint.
|StanCamberwell,Mar 6 2017 at 7:56am|
Hanson's support for a tyrant and desire for an authoritarian state in now well recorded. History will remember her for this more than anything else.
|The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 9:34am|
Do we want history to remember her name, that would be too embarrassing to this country.
|xyzMar 6 2017 at 9:56am|
Pauline is right about this do nothing banana spine PM. How about our political elite kowtowing to Chinese totalitarian regime. Chinese regime is far worse then Putin. A regional bully, harvesting human organs, ethnic cleansing in Tibet and legislative assembly consisting of millionaires. Pauline wants to protect our country from occupation. Nobody is saying all muslims are terrorists but the fact that all terrorists are muslims makes it necessary to stop them. Trump is right when he says that why should we waste national resources in vetting muslim migrants.
|Newtown PushMar 6 2017 at 11:28am|
"All terrorists are muslim"
Really? What on earth are you basing that statement on?
Ask someone who lived in the UK or Ireland through the 70s and 80s if that is true.
Ask the families of those that died in Oklahoma city if that is true.
Terrorism is much older than our current hate-fest for the follows of Islam. It is a tool used by Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, Left, Right, by all and sundry fringe-dwellers to try and force their own agenda on the world.
So, if you truly believe in stopping terrorists, you might want to cast a MUCH larger net than your little muslim hobbyhorse.
|StanCamberwell,Mar 6 2017 at 1:09pm|
I believe we need to record and remember the very best and the very worst Australia has to offer. Both have something to teach us. In the case of the best scientists, artists or sportspeople, they show us what we might achieve. Others, like Hanson, show us what it's like to be the polar opposite. In doing so, they become somewhat like human lighthouses - illuminating all things that need to be avoided.
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:20pm|
xyz, I'm no defender of the Chinese government, but Putin - a former secret police 'enforcer' for the old Soviet Union is no better, unless you believe all the murdered journalists and other opponents of the regime were just co-incidences. All terrorists are Muslims? In addition to the cases mentioned by Newtown Push, what about Thomas Mair, Anders Breivik and the shootings in the Quebec mosque? Or murders by white supremacists in in the US? I guess if to be considered a terrorist in your definition, you have to shout 'Allahu akbar' when committing murder for your bizarre beliefs, you are correct - look up 'circular definition' or 'petitio principii'.
|HJJMar 6 2017 at 8:05am|
Oh Dear... The Left are finally beginning to realise what a threat Hanson is to their marginal seats.
Bag her! Shame her! Destroy her! In the world of Leftism, nobody is allowed their own opinion.
Bag her! Shame her! Destroy her! True Aussie values those eh..?
|TrojeMar 6 2017 at 8:37am|
Everyone is allowed an opinion HJJ, just don't expect it go unchallenged if others don't agree with it.
|now think aboutMar 6 2017 at 8:42am|
This has nothing to do with 'left' or 'right' I watched the interview yesterday and all she came up with was several thought bubbles, brain farts, and ignorant nonsense. If those are the platforms she intends to build into a viable Political Party then I think Humpty Dumpty has more good sense in his backside. Fine support her drivel if that makes you feel the country will be better with her meaningless ideals, that is your choice.
|Vote Mal Eat PalMar 6 2017 at 8:48am|
Huh, the article is about Mr Trumble calling Pauline out?
|ChrisMar 6 2017 at 8:49am|
|rld fnq,Mar 6 2017 at 8:51am|
bag her, shame her, destroy her........... sounds like its straight out of the lnp manifesto to me..... And as a rampant "righty", you must then agree to these "australian values", which are on constant display by the lnp eh:)
|RowerMar 6 2017 at 8:51am|
I would have thought calling an idiot an idiot was in the finest Australian straight talking tradition.
|Eric TotalityMar 6 2017 at 8:52am|
There does not appear to be any evidence of analysis or detailed thought process that reconciled the apparent facts with the statement(s) as presented.
The Crimea? Isn't that the fiction section down the back of the bookshop?
|Mark AAustralia or what's left of it.,Mar 6 2017 at 9:12am|
HJJ when I was a young fella I saw a genuine travelling side show alley spruiker
who convinced me that if I went inside his tent for a few cents I would see
wonders the likes not seen before and all true and real. I paid my ten cents and
walked in only to find cheap set up props and dodgy looking stuffed things made
up from various animals cobbled together. None of it real although the outside
advertising said it was all true.
JA'sPHON reminds me of the tent and Pauline reminds me of the dodgy spruiker.
She goes off about the major parties but then votes constantly with the liberals. What happened to the banking RC she took to the election?
Any one that thinks some one like Putin is a creature to be admired and respected isn't some one I would like to be around let alone vote for.
True Aussie values are a fair go for all and not to carry on like a pork chop and try and scare and deceive people for votes and expect to be taken seriously.
Some of us Aussies don't want to pay the ten cents to the deceitful spruiker to see something we know is dodgy as and full of bullship.
|mehMar 6 2017 at 9:25am|
@HJJ - funny I thought Malcolm was the leader of the party on the Right.
Take your blinkers off pal it makes you look silly.
|Just doitMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 9:26am|
Well said HJJ
Only the elitist leftie middle class veiws can be correct. I was once centre left and left due to the them changing the boundaries to ensure that free speech that didn't agree with their feeling based politics was seen as politically incorrect. That place my very important freedom of speech at risk and so eventually democracy. Now I rail hard against them to demonstrate why people are walking to the right but they won't listen. Islamaphobia for example is not an irrational fear to the studied but it is when ones base is feeling and so not studied. Reason not virtue signalling emotions needs to leave the left and quickly. Hanson will grow just on the very real fear of Islams real intention in its history and directing scripture verse.
|The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 9:36am|
Since when was Trumbull on the left?
|georgeMar 6 2017 at 10:36am|
Oh rubbish. Just give them time - One Nation will implode well before the next election. No need to "bag her" or whatever when she is quite capable of authoring her own demise.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:08am|
"Bag her! Shame her! Destroy her! In the world of Leftism, nobody is allowed their own opinion."
If I recall, this is exactly what the COALition and their rabid supporters did to Julia Gillard. I don't consider any of them to be lefties. Or was that OK because Julia was on the wrong side?
|Newtown PushMar 6 2017 at 11:32am|
the Left has an issue with the fact that Hanson and co utilise lies, half-truths and deception to divide the populace and put themselves in power. That is what we stand against, not against her personally.
Someone willing to deceive the Australian people, use hatred and fear to gain votes, and believe they can say whatever they like regardless of truth, regardless of facts (there is no such thing as alternative facts), to get their own way does not deserve to stand for election, let alone represent the people of Australia.
|housemartinhong kong,Mar 6 2017 at 1:01pm|
Just doit: Perhaps one only needs to ask the question, where does Islam see itself in the world and where does it expect itself to end up? If you think it's a world governed by Sharia, then how do they expect to get there? If they do then get there will they maintain that hegemony peacefully as Christianity did after the Reformation?
I don't think the problem is with peaceful Muslims but with those who have the intent to wield power on a devastating scale and of whom the moderates would be powerless to resist anyway once the desired power had been achieved.
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:30pm|
Housemartin, you are absolutely correct that there is a problem with Muslims who want to spread their belief by violence. They are a minority world-wide and a tiny one in Australia. To control and eventually eliminate them, we need the support of the majority of Muslims who also oppose them (and who are, in fact, the majority of their victims world-wide). Generalising to the entire Muslim population in fact helps the extremists recruit and garner support, by being able to say: "See, all those kuffars hate our whole religion. Being nice and co-existing doesn't work. We have to wage violent jihad to stop them destroying us all". It ain't rocket surgery!
|MaximusMar 6 2017 at 8:05am|
A long time ago Rome's fall was aided by letting the same barbarians it was fighting at the borders into it's city and military. Most of these barbarians wanted to be part of the Roman Empire because it was safer than the harshness of their own lands but their inclusion declined Roman culture. The saying 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do', became less and less relevant with each barbarian that took up residence in the Empire.
The barbarians essentially became us, the Caucasian West. Unlike Rome, we didn't use Russians as slave stock, instead we just forced them into the military, to be part of feudal infighting that lasted for hundreds of years.
There is no right and wrong in this, it's just human nature playing out on grand scales. It is however annoying to see the media always take the side of the modern Cultural Marxist and authoritarian left - a left that for all it's cries of diversity essentially wants to turn us into consumption orientated Borg.
Cultures rise and fall, just like their economies - the fall is inevitable. This does not mean that supporting cultural values with nationalism or populism is wrong, in vain, perhaps - but not wrong.
After all, the dark ages were kind of worse on humanity the Roman Empire at it's height, right?
|yeahbutMar 6 2017 at 9:15am|
Surely pointing out the hypocrisy in what people themselves have said is a valid way that cuts through what a politician wants to project to you, so then you can see more clearly for yourself exactly what it is you might be supporting.
No its not wrong to support nationalism or populism, the article didn't say it was. But if you continue unquestioning support, or leap to its defense in the face of clear hypocrisy, then you might be forcing yourself to bend to accommodate its narrative. Then come the dark ages because to avoid that uncomfortable feeling this produces you have to dim your own light to not see.
|WHOMar 6 2017 at 8:09am|
Mad I tell you, so crazy that 19 developed nations have a no fault vaccine injury compensation scheme, yeah but not Australia, we deny science
No-fault compensation following adverse events attributed to vaccination: a
review of international programmes
The US Dept of Health administers their programme
So Pauline is correct, and it is confirmed by the Health Minister who told me Australia doesnt need this scheme as vaccinations are not compulsive
|DagsMar 6 2017 at 8:39am|
As an elected representative, she has the responsibility to call out nonsense like the Autism-vaccine link. Do you believe that people should ignore medical experts and instead believe whatever they read on the internet? Do fish and chip shop owners have the requisite skills to parse dense journal articles on PubMed? Of course not, and when this could mean not only the preventable dearth of their own children, but other people's children who are unable to be vaccinated as well, "do your own research" is not acceptable.
|TrojeMar 6 2017 at 8:58am|
Not sure if you actually read the items you linked to WHO, but the existence of no fault vaccine injury compensation schemes does not mean that vaccines are bad. These schemes are designed to avoid the trauma of litigation for the very rare person that suffers an adverse vaccine reaction. The small number of people that make use of these schemes compared to the very large numbers vaccinated in each country is the key factor.
|JoroMar 6 2017 at 10:17am|
I am always left speechless at the arrogance of many populists (like Hanson) that claim that they are more aware of various issues than experts in their various fields - and at how dangerous they are to suggest to others that they too should adopt such arrogance. If it is not arrogance then maybe a resentment against experts for telling them about something they do not have the capacity to understand and do not want to hear.
|good timesMar 6 2017 at 10:41am|
Pauline is not correct - she is just mindlessly parroting Donald Trump, who has announced a totally unnecessary enquiry into vaccine safety. Next thing she will be accusing Turnbull of wiretapping her fish and chip shop.
|informed consentMar 6 2017 at 10:54am|
When you cant handle the facts, you go ad hominem attacks
Vaccines can have adverse reactions, sometimes severe, that is even spelt out in the manufacturers vaccine inserts that your health provider doesnt show you.
The only deniers here are the science deniers who state that vaccines are 100% safe, no scientist will ever make that statement
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:40pm|
Informed Consent, you are 100% correct to say the no scientist or doctor will say that vaccines are 100% safe. They don't. They claim, on the basis of evidence, that in the vast majority of cases they are, and that they do prevent dangerous illnesses, again in the vast majority of cases. As a teenager (before compulsory seat-belts) I was driving when an out-of-control truck smashed into my car. I was thrown out of the vehicle, and the truck then rolled over onto my car, squashing the roof down to the seat. I escaped with bruising and a broken collar-bone. If had a seat-belt on, I'd have been killed. Should I campaign against compulsory seat-belts?
|Rupert Torquay ,Mar 6 2017 at 8:28am|
What a fool who is an embarrassment to our parliament and country. And to paraphrase "if you love Russia so much, why don't you move there?"
|Devils AdvocateCanberra,Mar 6 2017 at 8:35am|
We are all guilty of contradiction and double standards,this is our human condition. Malcolm is probably the epitome of the paradox truth be told, as the leader of a party that contradicts itself ad nauseum.
|JohnLWongawallan ,Mar 6 2017 at 8:42am|
Surely Hanson's love affair with Putin is enough to make people realise her ignorance and hiprocacy. What more has to be said to make deluded voters realise how fake and fraudulent the ratbag right (including One Nation) really are
|Peter SchmidtBrisbane ,Mar 6 2017 at 9:01am|
Australia does need a person, like Corbyn, to challenge the one party system. Hanson is not the one. Not because she mentioned Putin, many eastern Europeans, like me, like Putin. She is just doesn't have the charisma and the sharpness to lead an effective anti establishment party. Unfortunately we have to wait for the 'messiah'. But he or she will come eventually.
bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:46pm
Many Eastern Europeans, like me, who have a lot of time for Corbyn (and would have supported Bernie Sanders in the US) don't like Putin. He is just another wealth-and-power hungry autocrat (like Trump wants to be). Also, I don't believe in messiahs, or cargo-cults.
· DavidMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 9:03am
Go on WA, keep your reputations for crazy, crazy politics. Vote 1, One Nation. We Easterners dare ya.
|RupertTorquay,Mar 6 2017 at 11:40am|
And then please secede from the rest of us. Not as though we'll miss you.
· MontyVic,Mar 6 2017 at 9:05am
This will test just how genuine Turnbull is; if he sucks up to Pauline Hanson, and continues to compliment her and seek her support to pass his regressive changes, then he is two-faced in the extreme.
· Narinder ParvanaBrisbane,Mar 6 2017 at 9:09am
A Muslim is a Muslim without any distinction of moderate or radical Muslims. All
Muslims are guided by Quran in their day to day life. It is the politicians who
categorize them for reasons best known to them. There is no distinction among
You may be right Mr. Turnbull that it is only a handful of Muslims who intend to disturb peace in Australia but please do not forget that the large majority of Muslims is encouraging this rogue minority by keeping quite.
The Australian government never condemned any of the military dictators in Pakistan who took over power by trampling the democratically elected governments. So which Australian values are you talking about while condemning Ms. Hanson?
|JamesMar 6 2017 at 10:42am|
Nobody should judge all Muslims by the actions of a few terrorists any more than you should judge all Christians by the actions of the KKK or IRA.
|RupertTorquay,Mar 6 2017 at 11:43am|
A christian is a christian without any distinction and are guided by the Bible and their priests in their day to day life therefore must ALL be pedophiles by your reasoning Narinder Parvana. Hypocrisy much?
|MarkOZ,Mar 6 2017 at 12:07pm|
Islam is a totalitarian fascist ideology, concealed with a former pagan god in the Kabaa for authenticity. The other groups you mentioned have no such objectives and so are not comparable in any way.
|AlexFinley,Mar 6 2017 at 12:08pm|
# All it takes is one jab from a dirty needle.
(So therefore using idiot leftist logic, we shouldn't worry about dirty needles because the chances of infection are so slim.)
# All it takes is one bite from a malaria carrying mosquito...
(So therefore using mind-numbingly ignorant leftist logic we shouldn't bother killing mossies or wearing repellent as the number of infected mossies versus the number of mossies on earth (hundreds of billions) means that the infected mossies are inconsequential.)
# All it takes is one truck to run over fifty people...
# All it took was 2 aircraft hijacked by less than 20 muslims to kill 3200 Americans, and to think, there around a billion muslims in the world...
*Leftist logic makes everything worse*
|JoroMar 6 2017 at 1:10pm|
Mark, three of the first four caliphs (the rightly guided caliphs) were installed via a form of democratic means and the other one installed via acclamation so don't try to imply that Islam is inherently undemocratic. Secondly, the kabaa is not a god and it would be heresy to describe it as such. It was originally identified as a holy site by Abraham and his son Ishmael. Pagan religions tried to adopt it as holy but Muhammad would only tolerate it as belonging to the monotheistic faith of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. And if you need me to talk about qualifications to call you out on this I have studied and worked in the field of Islam and radicalism for a little over 20 years.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:32pm|
No one should be condemned, punished, or suffer penalty for crimes not committed by them but that some expert worries that they may commit.
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 2:52pm|
In addition to the very sensible comments by Ross and Joro, I'd add that Muslims, in Australia and elsewhere, have repeatedly spoken out to condemn extremism and violence - to the point of Australian Imams issuing a fatwah against them. So your central point, Narinder Parvana, is totally factually incorrect.
· JennyMar 6 2017 at 9:12am
It's not nonsense. Forced vaccination is a violation of our human rights. I will never allow my children to be injected with artificial poisons.
|MSTMar 6 2017 at 11:39am|
Please keep them away from people with chronic health issues and compromised immune systems - like my mother.
|MarkusCanberra,Mar 6 2017 at 12:39pm|
Good thing you aren't being forced, just considered as not meeting the requirements for a government subsidy.
Even if the completely discredited claims that vaccines cause autism had any basis in truth, do you know what is worse than autism? Measles. Mumps. Rubella. Polio. Smallpox. Diseases that are entirely preventable and yet will kill your child if given the opportunity.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:39pm|
If you truly believe that vaccinations are dangerous, then you are allowing your children to be protected by the actions of parents more courageous than you.
· BrettoSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 9:14am
EIE - yaaaaaaaaaaawwwn. Most of us have certainly had enough of your predictable tripe.
· Let Me Entertain YouMar 6 2017 at 9:14am
It's a good interview when the interviewer lets the interview put herself in the
doo bucket, all by herself. Mr Cassidy was itching to but in and query her
responses on a few occasions, however, she persisted loudly - and what a good
job she did with that Bucket.
The panel presented an excellent review of everything that was said. ie there may be a wisp of an idea here and there, but on balance her ideas were off the graph paper, and - most tellingly - contradictory.
She'll never get into Mensa.
(Says something about our parliament - doesn't it?)
I get the feeling that "If Pauline hasn't read it or seen it, then it isn't true."
Isn't there a book in the offing called "Pauline Says" ?
Or a kid's game along the lines of "Simon Says"?
Thank You Mr Cassidy and Insiders.
· RobMar 6 2017 at 9:18am
Well at least she is trying to do something. Put her in the PM seat and we might see action like the USA is seeing with Trump! We are getting nothing from this gov! Oh sorry. Backpackers tax!
In 1 month, USA people have seen action and the market is responding with confidence!
Since November 8th, US Election Day, the US Stock Market has posted $3.2 trillion in GAINS and consumer confidence is at a 15 year high.
|JamesMar 6 2017 at 10:41am|
She can't be PM from the Senate. She can't be PM unless she moves to the House of Reps and One Nation wins enough seats to form a government. And you'll see Liberal and Labor form a coalition before they allow that to happen.
|FleegmanMar 6 2017 at 11:31am|
". . . consumer confidence is at a 15 year high" and political discourse is at
an all time low, just like here.
But it is only the markets that are important, not society or the quality of life, or intelligent debate, right?
|bratmanMar 6 2017 at 1:06pm|
The market was going gangbusters just before Lehman Bros collapsed...
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:42pm|
Then more fool the stock market.
· RhondaMid North Coast,Mar 6 2017 at 9:21am
I wonder if Pauline has any idea of what her future might be if she was in opposition to Putin in Russia. I would suggest if she was in opposition to him that she has some good bodyguards and to be very careful of her safety. Unfortunately some brave reporters and opponents have found their safety was not assured. I also wonder how she would feel standing by a child in an iron lung or coughing their heart out with whooping cough.
· Truly, Gladly, HonestlyMar 6 2017 at 9:21am
Pauline 'is there' for precisely the same reason that Trump 'is there'. They
have: Same contingent of voters, same levels of IQ, same self-delusional
personalities (only I don't think Pauline is quite as
high-profile-self-delusional as Trump). I mean she seems to understand that she
belongs purely in the space she occupies, without the exalted notion of being in
charge of the most powerful nation etc etc.
Although to be honest, has anyone asked her that question?
· ArkyMar 6 2017 at 9:22am
Maybe Turnbull could also criticise those members of his front bench who have claimed One Nation is changed, that the Greens are worse than Hanson, etc. But that's asking a bit much of him. Just taking a position mildly against Hanson has probably tuckered him out of political courage for the rest of the month.
The way to get rid of Hanson is to focus on her stupid ideas which have nothing to do with immigration or bigotry. Admiring Putin's leadership while calling vaccination policies a dictatorship... admiring the penalty rate cut, attacking maternity leave and support for newmothers, these are the things which should be in the vanguard of the attack on Hanson. A lot of One Nation's support is about changing the system rather than their anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim rhetoric, but not changing the system the way Pauline has in what we will charitably call her mind.
· The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 9:23am
Trumbull calls out beloved leader of PHONy on her nonsense. Is that because around 10% are believing her utter nonsense or that that is only 33% believing his utter nonsense, which still makes up to 43% believing utter nonsense.
· CraigMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 9:24am
The commentators have made comment tha6 Hanson has become more sophisticated
that where she was 20 years ago.
Watching Insiders yesterday Hanson confirmed that nothing has changed and the commentators statement of sophistication is nothing other than rubbish.
When pressed on the percentage of loss to workers she stated ' one quarter of a percent" and not the 25%. Then there was the ramblings that vaccinations cause autism, this was almost the pinnacle of her stupidity, but no there was one other, paying a casual person in a fish and chip shop $34 per hour...... what rubbish. Everyone knows that 99% of kids working in fish and chip shops and take away shops get an under the counter hourly rate and no superannuation.
There is no sophistication of Hanson, her policies and certainly her understanding of basic issues.
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 11:35am|
So, being sophisticated is the important thing is it? Bollocks. This, "I'm smarter than you" argument is being used as an offensive mallet to subdue anyone that isn't as smart as the elite. That is exactly what is driving the problem in society today. Have a good look at yourself for your role in exacerbating this problem!
|BabyBoomerSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:27pm|
@watcher ... when Arfur Sinodinus spoke to us of a more sophisticated ON, I think he was being too polite. But only the ignorant would see it as an insult.
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 12:58pm|
BB, the way I read Sinodinos's comments is that he knows that the views of ordinary Australians have to be accommodated in the near future and that step 1 for him, I suspect, is to reverse his own role in discarding them into the laundry basket in the past. Hence, his overcorrecting language. It's removing a block in front of them.
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 1:44pm|
I am an ordinary Australian. Her views are not my views.
· JennyMar 6 2017 at 9:25am
"Good on Malcolm Turnbull..." Really? For slapping her with a kid glove while condoning preference deals with her? For implementing her agenda? I don't think so. Malcolm is just being the opportunist he always was, picking the populist line when it suits him (Russia bad, Vaccines good) much like he used to support the Republic, Carbon Emission Reduction and Marriage Equality. He'll say anything if he thinks it might save his job. Doesn't mean he'll say the same thing next week.
· JimSylvania,Mar 6 2017 at 9:27am
starting to move towards Pauline's views as these seem to pass the typical pub
test. It beats the bickering twaddle of both Labor and Liberal, both of whom
can't seem to take a positive stand for the good of the country.
But her non-vaccination notion has thrown me off track. Vaccination is not a world-wide conspiracy to dumb down the population. Even doctors (millions of them) who are the experts vaccinate their children.
But Pauline, with no medical qualifications, and possibly soaked with fish and chip oil knows better. As does, of course that smashed Avocado speaker who is here to take the money of adherents just so they can feel good with their warped views. He also lacks appropriate qualifications.
And, no Pauline, it is not blackmail to deny non-vaccinators family payments. These payments are not a right; and you are free to not take them as you wish. But obtaining herd immunity is necessary. How would you like it if a child of yours died simply because he/she caught a preventable disease from someone who was not immunised? And would you, as aggrieved parents, have the right to sue the parents of the child who passed on this contagion?
|JamesMar 6 2017 at 10:39am|
One Nation is rife with crackpot conspiracy theories. Just ask Malcolm Roberts.
|AlexFinley,Mar 6 2017 at 12:09pm|
Yeah, she doesn't make much sense but then again, neither does the union party.
|PhilCSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:33pm|
The same, are they Alex?
|Oh DearCanberra,Mar 6 2017 at 2:46pm|
II found the interview generally well-articulated. It is unfortunate that most of the media jumped on the comments about vaccination and the Russian President. Hopefully Ms Hanson will leave the questions related to medicine and science alone in the future. The reference to Mr Putin was that he was a strong leader. There has not been a strong leader in Australia since the days of John Howard. That was the point that Ms Hanson was making. Despite the value judgements that people in a liberal democracy can ascribe to Mr Putin, the Russian people seem to admire him for restoring pride in their country. The same sentiment cannot be seen in Australia. Of course, I am glad to live in a country with dull, meandering politics, where the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum. But it would be nice to have a leader who actually would stand firm on an issue (just one). The views of One Nation regarding immigration are well known. Apologists might reduce the incidence of terrorists to a tiny percent of a particular religion. Nonetheless, the problem only comes from that particular group. No other creed or religion has that ideology. This is a fact that no amount of whitewashing will “politically correct” away. Otherwise, Ms Hanson expressed the view of small business owners, rarely heard these days. Plus she does not resile from her point of view. That is an admirable trait, even if people do not agree with the view. Too many politicians try to be all things to all people. Someone has to be put out if the status quo is to change.
· EmmaMar 6 2017 at 9:30am
"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which individuals suffer from illusory superiority , mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately." Pauline Hanson and her voters may be affected by this effect.
· stukMar 6 2017 at 9:43am
One would expect Duncan Lewis to minimise the threat, in order to keep a lid on things. Pluse, the number of foiled terrorist incidents here does indicate that some Moslems put Australia ahead of Islam, as they wish to live in a peaceful, tolerant society. But I think that "a few hundred" is gilding the lily, Duncan. A few thousand would be my guess. And it is only a matter of time before Asio can't stop an attack.....what then for tolerance? After all, not all Germans in 1936 were Nazis, but that still ended rather badly, for eveyone
|OlafMar 6 2017 at 9:46am|
Quite amusing to watch the hypocrisy of the anti-Hansonites too.
Take for example the author's last paragraph about holding all muslims responsible for the sins of a few (and let us leave out for a moment the UK spilling which has shown a substantial proportion of our Muslim friends are pretty cool with pretty extreme ideas).
The irony is that the campaigns against domestic violence here use exactly that technique- all men are somehow responsible for the existence of domestic violence.
So on the one hand, Muslims cannot be held collectively responsible but men can.
Hanson is illogical but she remains a nice counterpoint to the similarly illogical (but happily accepted shibboleths) of the Fairfax inner urban elite.
|Piped PiperMar 6 2017 at 10:02am|
And you didn't take note of the hypocrisy displayed by Hanson in finding excuses for Putin invading sovereign nations and disappearances of journalists under his rule and then 2 minutes later she rambles on, blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few? I was expecting her to say do you have any proof a practising Muslim pulled the trigger in Parramatta Police Station or the Lindt Cafe?
|wombatmanMar 6 2017 at 10:08am|
|history muchMar 6 2017 at 12:22pm|
I know,its not like Amerika has invaded any sovereign nations and Crimea was
part of Russia before the USSR gave it away.
And the population of Crimea voted to join Russia, yeah I know inconvenient facts of fake news sites
|RossMALLABULA,Mar 6 2017 at 2:09pm|
hello history much,
Russia is not a democracy and you should take a plebiscite in a territory invaded by foreign troops with a grain of salt.
|GeronimoYippee Yi Yo,Mar 6 2017 at 9:52am|
With the exception of a Manly Ferry voyage, a day at Tangalooma or a joy ride
with Tweetie Pie Trump, Hanson's Hero's are not generally endowed with worldly
experience, pragmatism and/or plain old common sense.
Well rehearsed fiction, constantly repeated, is their empirical forte, manna from heaven for the targeted True Believer...SAD!
|GuyMar 6 2017 at 9:52am|
Pauline, what are you doing? There I was thinking what a great job James Ashby was doing, booking her soft media gigs and keeping her away from questioning interviews, where she will run away at the mouth and expose her political idiocy.
Drape her in the flag, give her easy gigs like welfare/immigration-bashing sound bites on A Current Affair, but for god's sake don't let her go off script. We need you Pauline, to undermine the Coalition and cannibalise the conservative vote.
|The Lucky Country Sydney ,Mar 6 2017 at 10:00am|
Whats has happened to this amazing country?
We had leaders with vision and determination to build the likes of the Harbour Bridge and the Snowy Hydro system, today we build roads that need upgrading 3 years later.
When you need heart surgery you go to a doctor, when you need legal advise you go to a lawyer, when you need to build infrastructure you need an engineer -
Tell what do you need a Fish and Chip shop expert for, what do you need career
politicians who have never worked a day in their life and jump straight into
When a person can only espouse negative attacks like Abbott, Hanson, Bernardi it simply shows they are bereft of ideas and morals.
The politicians of the past may not be perfect but they had the best intentions for this country.
Stop with the negativity and give me a business, social plan to make this country wonderful again, it is easy to say everything is wrong and its not we are still the luckiest country in the world so stop ruining it
|Benson Kane Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 10:01am|
Pauline Hanson has every right to have her say. Nobody is talking more nonsense than Bill Shorten is, and unfortunately for our country, and our children future, Bill Shorten could become the next prime minister.
|BabyBoomerSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:32pm|
No one is denying her right to have her say. In fact, please, let her have her say every day (hehehehe)
|PhilCSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 1:12pm|
So apparently Bill Shorten has no right to have a say.
BTW, your children don't have a future under this present government. You think Pauline has anything to offer (apart from ignorant opinion)?
|Benson Kane Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 10:07am|
Pauline Hanson has become a political force to be reckoned with and both Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten know it. If wishes can really come true, my wish would be that Pauline Hanson will prevent Bill Shorten from ever become the prime minister, and to wipe out the mad greens from the upper house and the lower house altogether.
|JamesMar 6 2017 at 10:38am|
The Senate has no say in who becomes Prime Minister. There is only one person in the country who decides who becomes Prime Minister - the Governor-General. And by convention the GG invites whoever leads the party with a majority in the House of Reps to form a government. That's how Westminster government works.
|RupertTorquay,Mar 6 2017 at 11:53am|
Don't waste your words James. The believers are in La La Land. Literally. They have absolutely no concept of how our parliamentary system works.
|PhilCSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 1:13pm|
Benson – You meant of course, "Pauline Hanson has become a political farce…"
|RTPMar 6 2017 at 10:12am|
What we need to discover is why so many Australian’s believe the same nonsense as Ms. Hanson? Is it lack of education? Is it illogical fear and if so what is driving this nonsense? Are there pockets of our population that have an imbalance of those who believe the same nonsense, where are they and what factors are common to the people in these areas that are different from other people in other areas? On any cursory look there seems to be several factors common to the people who accept the nonsense that Hanson is riding. Low income in relation to other areas and groups which feeds into the greed factor of most of them not wanting to share resources with any one more person that is necessary. Poor education which means most have no idea of the basis of world religions or the cultures of different ethnic groups and take their 'learning' from hysterical media reports put out there with as much real research as Hanson herself bases her ideas and thirdly illogical fear again flamed by hysterical media. It is the role of responsible government to address these factors or the very fabric of our society will crumble.
|RobMar 6 2017 at 10:30am|
No it's the no progress from both the liberal and the labour parties for years. Lots of hot wind!
|A country galMar 6 2017 at 11:10am|
RTP, Go to her FB page and checkout the comments, click on the posters and it
all falls together.
Enough said. The demographic is obvious.
|MSTMar 6 2017 at 11:57am|
Her supporters seem to be mainly rural Qld and WA who would have voted Country Party in the good old days. Their communities have not got the benefit of the Mining boom any more - if they ever did. Education levels probably low, and they are not equipped to succeed in the currrent economic environment.
|JoanneMar 6 2017 at 10:13am|
More people support Hanson's views than support the Greens.
Ignore her and mock her all you like,but many people love her ability to speak the truth and tell it like it is.
|JamesMar 6 2017 at 10:36am|
"More people support Hanson's views than support the Greens"
The number of votes cast at the last election says otherwise. In the Senate, 8.65% voted for the Greens and 4.29% voted for One Nation.
|A country galMar 6 2017 at 11:12am|
Her truth, is not necessarily the truth. There's a big difference between the two.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:39am|
Does Hanson really speak the truth, or does she just have that cunning knack of saying all the things that fringe voters want to hear? Either way, it gives her a salary that sees such an average and ignorant person punching well above their weight.
|TeddyMar 6 2017 at 10:20am|
Pauline, unlike LNP and ALP Ministers, listens to the concerns of the ordinary person. She may not have it exactly right yet but I'll support her nonetheless.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:42am|
She may listen to the concerns of ordinary people - listening is one thing, but DOING SOMETHING is completely different. When Hanson just goes ahead and votes with the COALition, she does little to address their concerns. She is coming to a great big wake up dose of karma soon for being a C-grade populist hypocrite.
|Benson Kane Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 10:22am|
Pauline Hanson is a very brave politician, considering that Pauline wasn't highly educated, like some of these ALP/Greens morons which all they do is to keep sending nonsense comments all the time without having a clue what they're talking about, Pauline did the opposite with what she had and ended up in Canberra stronger than ever. Pauline has the two things that cannot be thought in schools, and that is the gifts of great courage combined with a lot of common sense."Which the above mentioned don't have ".
|BabyBoomerSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:37pm|
Courage to say what you believe even if the facts contradict you..is just ignorance. Common sense does not come from ignorance.
|JerryMar 6 2017 at 10:23am|
The two most telling things that came out of the Insiders interview were:
1) Hanson is an unabashed supporter of the present government. She just has some fringe issues with it, like wanting a ban on Muslim immigration.
2) She fully supports lowering of penalty rates. In particular she is a supporter of small business and would like to see lower real wages.
You would have to wonder why she ever left the Liberal Party.
|AussieMar 6 2017 at 10:34am|
She also voted with the government to allow in more 457 visas to work semi-skilled construction jobs. Go figure.
|Benson Kane Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 10:38am|
The only reason that the ABC insider program set Pauline Hanson up for that interview last Sunday had everything to do with the WA state election. The timing of that interview was designed by the ABC management to try and make Pauline Hanson sound stupid in the eyes of the WA public, to try and stop her surging popularity, and also to try and stop her from winning the balance of power.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:45am|
@Benson Kane - nobody needs to set Hanson up to sound stupid - she does that all by herself.
|MSTMar 6 2017 at 12:01pm|
Benson - Pauline didn't have to appear on the program - her choice. She was not set up - she just sproated her stuff as per usual. People likely to vote for her are unlikely to watch The Insiders.
|Ms PatongaMar 6 2017 at 10:28am|
Dammit, I missed Insiders. Whatever you think about what Malcolm's NOT doing, rebuking her is way overdue. Pauline is intellectually incapable of joining the political dots, so she's always contradicting herself and when someone points it out to her, you can see she realises she's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. It's embarrassing to watch. Surely she must suspect she has risen way above her level of competency and it's on show.
|Benson Kane Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 11:00am|
You haven't missed much really, it's always the same old stories on the biased ABC political shows.The Insiders program is just like Q&A that should be transferred to the ABC for kids shows. I'm not trying to put the kids intelligence down in any way by saying that. Some three-year-olds can even speak in three languages.
|Ms PatongaMar 6 2017 at 12:37pm|
So disagree BK. Whilst some kids can speak three languages, PH can't even master one. Insiders is great and totally unbiased. Haven't you seen Gerard Henderson on there? You probably think ACA is left wing.
|BabyBoomerSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:40pm|
@ BK ... just keep telling yourself that and you'll be right. Barrie's interview was a powder-puff compared to others. He knew all he had to do was give her the platform to express herself. The rest was all up to her and she didn't disappoint.
|democrat 17Mar 6 2017 at 10:42am|
Its unbelievable that PH is in the political sunshine and it can only end in tears ... but its the weakness of the LIB/Lab coalition that's sending support her way.
|PeterMar 6 2017 at 10:44am|
To parahrase Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Who's the more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows her?"
|AlexFinley,Mar 6 2017 at 12:16pm|
Hmm, little billy is the pied piper alright. Entitled unionists are led to believe that his promised borrowings --that will further fatten up their future pay cheques-- are somehow sustainable.
Hmm, the entitled don't understand that Australia just avoided a recession because of the Christmas period, nothing else.
# The most stupid are those who believe what the alp's unionized propaganda network tells them.
|Douggie.Hawkesbury. ,Mar 6 2017 at 1:52pm|
Alexi is right, let's destroy all the unions, smash all entitlements and rights.
Let's install an Authoritarian puppet government that only answers to the Billionaires and Multinationals.
Alexi you can go first, which one of your rights are you going to give up and where can we send the One Nation stormtroopers to collect it?
|LeonTMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 11:02am|
Pauline recently took a swim on the Great Barrier Reef - emerging from the water to assure all that the Reef was in tip-top condition. Forensic!
Pauline has always argued that our problems are caused by 'somebody else' - being initially the First Australians, then Asians and now Muslims.
I might have missed it but I haven't heard Pauline condemn the criminality and sheer stupidity of our regularly joining with the yanks to kill, terrorise, dispossess and generally create mayhem in the Middle East.
Pauline likes to appeal to the bottom feeders as they are the only types likely to listen, which helps neither the bottom feeders nor the rest of us.
All politicians have taken us to this low point. Pauline merely provides the graphics.
Her latest laughable commentary is that vaccinations cause autism. An absurdity and profoundly ignorant.
But what seems to have Mal in a lather is her reference to Putin. The man Clinton referred to as the 'new Hitler'. All the softheads in the West follow this nonsense.
There is not a shred of evidence that Russia was involved in bringing down MH17 - nothing. In fact there is more evidence that the Ukrainians did so, not to mention the fact within hours of the plane coming down, both Kerry and Obama, announced publicly that they had irrefutable evidence that the Russians brought down the plane - this was immediately challenged by Putin - produce the evidence!
The 'evidence' was never produced, it was never provided to the formal investigation, in fact the yanks provided nothing. The investigation refused all submissions from Russia. And even so, the investigation can only say that a Russian missile was used - plenty of which were held by Ukraine.
The nonsense in Western politics is truly amazing.
|RuthMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 11:10am|
He has to find a way out of the mess he's created for himself somehow, why not attack one of his closest extremists?
|DavidMalvern,Mar 6 2017 at 11:12am|
Turnbull and Shorten beware; voters are sick of both your Parties. Hanson may not be perfect but anyone is better than you two.
|Liberal LiarsMar 6 2017 at 11:49am|
Hanson is just an extension of the Liberal party. I fail to see how people think she's any different.
|?Sydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:53pm|
Turnbull and Shorten "FAKE" and DISHONEST without forgetting the press who forget to tell us who are the ones who screwed the country with a debt over $1000 billion and growing by the second and make us irrelevant after each election.
|JohnBrisbane,Mar 6 2017 at 11:13am|
Like most of us, Pauline is not the best at explaining herself clearly,
particularly under duress in an interview, even if Barry - ever the gentleman -
took it easy. If you make the appropriate allowance for that, Pauline's messages
are shared by a lot of people and are not so radical as they sound.
For example, the issue surrounding Muslims is not that we're all going to be killed but that a clash of cultures will be to everyone's detriment and difficult to manage. The two cultures are so different that the better solution would be to keep them separate, which is what Pauline would want but has difficulty expounding it.
|PhilCSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 1:25pm|
You don't think being an anti-vaxxer is dumb?
|manarchPerth,Mar 6 2017 at 11:24am|
Bagging Hanson or her ilk isn't the answer, irrespective of the reported ground swell of the villagers taking up the pitchforks to storm the castle. Articulating one's emotion-based opinions always comes drenched in a kind of fear that will launch instinctively into defensiveness followed by degrees of anger and hate.
Maybe things are a little more basic than might appear at face value? If you strip away much of the sound and the fury, I'd suggest it starts to boil down to not much more than fundamental human frailties such as fear, greed, envy, jealousy brought on by a range of factors from a narrow perspective to a justifiable frustration over gross imbalance of material equality.
At some point people will realise - if we are to learn anything from history - that we have no choice but to live together and the extent of pain, anger, violence, hatred is entirely up to us. No matter how sophisticated we become, not matter how much of our brains we pack into a 4x6 piece of plastic and metal we carry around in our hands, we have not dropped far from the tree emotionally or spiritually.
We should revisit the enlightenment idea of the social contract - in particular, what it actually means in this brave new digital globalised world where everyone can see how much everyone else has, and our primal human frailties which were the very reason why religion was invented are increasingly being let off the leash. Nietzsche's Madman was right - having lost our moral and compassion strengths how and what do we fill the dark void left with something to hold us together?
Increasing individualism and materialism have led us to this point - a fork in the road. Let's hope something good turns up.
|Douggie.Hawkesbury.,Mar 6 2017 at 11:32am|
As yoda so eloquently said “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”
Pauline and Co are so intent on getting power through fear, they don't understand that it will tear them apart from the inside out. As it has done to all those who have tried to use it to their gain.
|AlexFinley,Mar 6 2017 at 12:20pm|
says a man who lauds the constant climate change doom being lauded by mind control central.
# Still no mention of the growing number of large earthquakes that the earth is experiencing though.
|DouggieHawkesbury. ,Mar 6 2017 at 2:18pm|
What are you on about Alexi?
Perhaps my remarks on how Hanson's Climates Change policies looks like it came straight from the debunked liar "Lord" Monckton's 'scare nanna to death tour', that was proudly supported by Gina Rinehart.?
Or was it my comment I pointing at Hansons fear of the U.N's Agenda 21 meeting, that was trying to understand how the world can deal with an exploding populations?
Science isn't a boogie monster Alex. Instead of filling your head with One
Nation's scientifically literate policies try actually reading what the
scientists are saying on the subjects of warming seas, acidification, polar ice.
I promise you will learn something.
|fiberaldarwin,Mar 6 2017 at 11:35am|
Shorten has also called out Turnbull and Hanson. Two of Australia's most dangerous politicians who will do anything to remain power.
|The Lad4340,Mar 6 2017 at 11:40am|
WA opinion poll:
The primary votes are Liberal 34.6% (down 0.8%), Nationals 6.8% (down 1.6%), Labor 35.2% (up one 0.2%), Greens 10.7% (up a remarkable 4.7%) and One Nation a rather subdued 8.5% (down 3.2%).
|Don TrumpMar 6 2017 at 1:17pm|
Polls are never wrong - Killary
|fiberaldarwin,Mar 6 2017 at 11:45am|
Mortgage defaults are coming our way, the housing bubble will burst, banks in deep shit with trillions invested with property speculators, you know mum and dad investors, the ones the worst treasurer keeps bleating about
Wait until unemployment hits, we are on the cusp of a USA style housing debacle, you can see why the Liberal's don't want a banking RC, it will show the level of corruption and greed, it will be 2008 revisited, CAPITALISM, brought to you courtesy of the LNP
Why should hard working Australians be locked out from buying their first home, when Dutton has six, when politicians have multiple negative geared properties, paid for by the taxpayer, Jesus Christ, how many houses does one person need
|RobMar 6 2017 at 12:18pm|
Agree. Perfect storm is not far away. I predict June/July 2017!
|AlexFinley,Mar 6 2017 at 12:25pm|
And you're the one to redistribute that wealth equally huh?
yep, just like gillard did with her health department of 10,000 unionists who didn't lift outcomes for patients.
Fee paying comrades are no better than we are.
|PhilCSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 1:29pm|
Alex – "Fee paying comrades are no better than we are."
They must be AWFUL.
|JoelCanberra,Mar 6 2017 at 11:51am|
Good on her. She believes in what she's doing. Yes, she does lack political skills and is far from polished, but she is sincere and fundamentally is really trying to look afetr the people she represents
|BedeMar 6 2017 at 12:34pm|
Well Joel ... Pauline Hanson certainly does not represent working Australians... particularly those "left behind" on low pay ... she joins Malcolm Turnbull and the LNP in welcoming the significant cut to the wages of low paid employees in the penalty rate issue ... seems that if you are a low paid working Australian then you are not one of the "people" she claims she is listening to ...
|?Sydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:48pm|
she does lack political skills and is far from polished for lying or deceive the
is this what you are saying than she is better to stay what she is Pauline Hanson.
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 1:29pm|
I beg to differ, Bede. Hanson is a small businessperson. In my experience no sector works as hard as they do. So, she is, in fact, representative of working Australians in the best way possible. She's got more moral right to comment on this issue than members of think tanks and the general commentariat.
And is it a significant cut? I read somewhere that the wage is going from 250% loading to 225%, or from Sunday rates to Saturday rates. If so, that's not that significant. So, your comment would be an exaggeration.
|Bruce Whiteside Gold Coast ,Mar 6 2017 at 12:03pm|
All of this peripheral nonsense about Pauline Hanson and the faint shadow that follows called One Nation is child's play to the real issue. Is One Nation a legal party? Who owns it, who controls it? Is it a genuine political party or a massive scam. As the PHSM was seized that had NO connection with Hanson, its membership used to establish it with the ECQ, as a 'legitimate' party, then its finances used to launch the thing, I have every right to call for a Commission of Inquiry. I formed and convened the PHSM and it was our membership that saw Hanson jailed. The time has come for the truth to come out ....M/s Hanson!
|LindsaySydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:10pm|
What an utter farce. Turnbull or is it Prime Minister Trumble in his haste to do
a refugee deal with the USA FORGOT what or rather who the Republicans view as
their new best friend, Mr Putin.
Not being privy to Trumble's argument with Trump but I doubt very much if Prime Minister Trumble questioned Trump's love of Putin and how Russian separatists under Russian guidance shot down a plane carrying 37 Aussies homeward bound.
How hypocritcal. Trumble has to decide in whose interests he is acting for and so too Tony's love of Trump. It was not that long ago that Abbott wanted to shirt front Putin and Putin was so scared he parked a Destroyer off Australia's coast during the G20 Summit. The Destroyer had our Navy in a panic because it could sink the lot and where was the USA no where to be seen.
We should stop being a lap dog for others interests.
|code redMar 6 2017 at 12:20pm|
Perhaps she is not talking to Australians when she publicly admires Putin, she's actually talking to Putin. I reckon she thinks he can help her win the PMship as he did with Trump.
|JaneElsternwick,Mar 6 2017 at 12:27pm|
People are very tired of the two main parties doing as little as possible
whenever possible. Add to this a world of false platitudes and false shaming to
control free speech and the environment becomes ripe for fawk you politics.
Hanson can be challenged for much but what does stand out is she calls a spade a spade and that's rare in this virtue signalling world of selfie sticks and false facebook pages of concern for others without any actually activity to support. Shallowness creates ignorance and when that then protects the intolerant doctrines over western democracy then obviously its gone a step to far and rebellion appears. Oh and she is most indefinably Australia first rather than hating ideologies first, like the professional politicians. Her stand on behalf of democracy is really important for the maintenance of a peaceful future!
|?Sydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:31pm|
At least she doesn't lie as the other mob does and if we don't like some her policies we can still challenge her with her CITIZENS INITIATED REFERENDUM something the other will never offer us because they scare if we have it.
|Bruce WhitesideGold Coast ,Mar 6 2017 at 1:27pm|
Pauline Hanson …and One Nation.
The Party Shadow Ministers.
Immigration ........................Pauline Hanson
Education ..........................Pauline Hanson
Industrial Relations.................Pauline Hanson
Justice ..............................Pauline Hanson
Foreign Affairs......................Pauline Hanson
Veteran Affairs......................Pauline Hanson
Climate Change ....................Roberts
Is there really a need for a Turnbull, a Shorten? With this star-studded field, the need to see the budget returned to surplus is a assured.
|Wayne FehlhaberHervey Bay,Mar 6 2017 at 12:31pm|
hmm .... and if he had called her out earlier on anything at all , he would have been castigated as attacking her and O.N. because he is afraid of her chances of success. Damned if he doesn"t and damned when he does. There have been plenty of good news matters in economic data over the past fortnight , but the media choses to ignore " good news " and reports on this irrelevance . The issue of child vaccinations IS important , NOT the criticism of the Prime Minister's statement timing . Surely news outlets can sort the priorities from the " political point scoreboard ."
|Robi HoodSydney,Mar 6 2017 at 12:41pm|
It is clear that Hanson is completely divorced from reality and that Turnbull, under siege from all sides in the LNP, is, as a weakened leader, very selective when he eventually criticises the One Nation leader for her dumb and increasingly outrageous views. However, one must then consider the intelligence of voters who steadfastly support her and her looney tune members and how attractive her extreme views are for them. It is further depressing when the LNP announces publicly that One Nation has matured over the past 20 years and, whether federal or state based, is eager to consider a preferences exchange with them so as to hold on to power at any cost. No wonder polling for the conservatives continues to go backwards each month! Bring on the 2019 federal election.
|DukeofWoyWoyMar 6 2017 at 12:47pm|
Oh Malcolm, what have you done by calling out, a little, Pauline, now some more black marks will be appearing from some of the right leaning members of your party, could be time for the purchase and wearing of a new flak jacket, to be sure, to be sure.
|Pluto Melbourne ,Mar 6 2017 at 12:49pm|
All the criticism seems to be about vaccination. I just heard Morrison do his bit. Interesting don't you think? They're much quieter on her anti-Muslim diatribes. She serves them well.
|slatibaadfastLakes E,Mar 6 2017 at 12:53pm|
why are people so 'up in arms' when someone talks about not vaccinating? even the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union states clearly: 'Free and informed consent must be respected in the fields of medicine and biology'. To mandate vaccinations is to deny this fundamental freedom. And we often hear, if your unvaccinated child makes my Vaccinated child/ren sick look out. if your child is vaccinated against, measles for instance (which I might add was virtually gone almost 10 years BEFORE a vaccine was introduced, and was considered a 'normal childhood disease' before the hype started) then why are you concerned? According to the suppliers, the vaccine works, doesn't it? and if it doesn't, why is it being given to your child? the ONLY people that I read about that mandates vaccines without choice are the ones that read government/manufacturers information. my kids are adults, they were vaccinated, my grandchildren are vaccinated, two show mild side effects, so I couldn't care less about if your kids are. But one final point, If vaccines are safe as claimed why, in the U.S. a bill was passed to protect the manufacturers from litigation yet the government has paid out more than 3 BILLION dollars in compensation? if I had young children today, on that alone, I'd be very concerned. just reading one side of an 'argument' isn't being informed.
|realityMar 6 2017 at 1:20pm|
No scientist ever makes the argument that they are 100% safe, only science deniers do that. Happy to hear from people who are more eminently qualified on the topic than these two gentlemen?
Two of Australia's top epidemiologists are demanding the introduction of a no-fault compensation scheme for victims of vaccination - a system already used in 19 nations including the US, New Zealand and Canada, and in most of Europe.
Associate professor Heath Kelly, who heads the epidemiology unit at the Victorian Infectious Diseases Reference Laboratory, and David Isaacs, a member of the federal government's vaccine advisory committee, argue in the Medical Journal of Australia this month that the community owes a "debt of gratitude" to children harmed by vaccines given to provide the community with "herd immunity" against some of the world's most dangerous diseases.
Professor Isaacs, who is on both the immunisation and the adverse drug reactions advisory groups of the Health Department's Therapeutic Goods Administration, said yesterday he had raised the proposal at meetings of the Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation, as a matter of "ethics and justice".
|watcherMar 6 2017 at 1:39pm|
Morally speaking you are quite right. If even one individual has been damaged as a result of a state-sponsored vaccination program, it is the responsibility of the state to do whatever it can to ameliorate the effects on the victims and work out ways of tailoring vaccinations to individuals so that the problems are not generated in the first place. I'm not au fait with what's going on in vaccination, but I imagine it will involve matching treatments with individual human DNA profiles.
Do you know what percentage of people suffer detrimental consequences?
|outatownaoutatown,Mar 6 2017 at 12:56pm|
Agreed Sir Rex - I have been reading the comments from today and I also watched Hanson's interview on Sunday with Barry Cassidy. It's truly amazing how people spruik 'free speech' and yet when Hanson opens her mouth she gets balled out. I saw nothing wrong with what she said yesterday. I think the media has a lot to answer for with the way they twist everything Hanson says and it seems to me that Cassidy was just out to trip her up somehow with his interview. She is not a public speaker, that's for sure, but she deserves to be able to have her say without it being twisted by the media and those who don't want to think.
|DanSurry Hills,Mar 6 2017 at 1:06pm|
Its seems to be a come theme that politicians make statements on subjects they know absolutely nothing about- such as Vaccinations. There is no pre-test to vaccinations which proves Pauline know nothing on this subject. Again - an other distortion ( or just a lie) to confuse voters. Plus on the subject of Putin - he has become on of the richest men in Europe - all via being a politician. So he is strong but its self interest and motivation. Also he is regarded as " a killer" - in the sense that if you are in his way - watch out. Yeah that's the type of leader we want in Australia!!! Pauline is behaving just like the politicians she opposes - making things up or distorting real issues. Yes we are tried of these shenanigans - including you Pauline!!!
|TristanMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 1:14pm|
One Nation Senator Malcolm 'spoke at Liberals' HR Nicholls Society IR conference' Roberts,
will follow Pauline Hanson's ABC Insiders train wreck interview with his own,
when Rafael Epstein interviews Roberts on his 774 ABC Melbourne drive program this Tue afternoon.
Pauline Hanson also tweeted before her ABC Insiders interview that she was appearing on the show before she lobbied to cut ABC's funding.
Human Services Minister Alan Tudge's appalling performance in the Centrelink portfolio was also highlighted in a 35 minute report on this Sunday's ABC Radio National's Background Briefing,
which interviewed people hit with thousands of dollars of automated robodebt.
The full transcript will be available online on the ABC Radio National website this Tues.
Centrelink's 'robodebt' ran off the rails”
(ABC Radio National, Background Briefing 5 Mar 2017)
"The government's troubled debt recovery system has caused an uproar."
"Thousands of welfare recipients have been hit with debts which they have no idea how they were calculated."
"There's now a Senate Inquiry and an Ombudsman's investigation. Colin Cosier investigates."
|MaccaMar 6 2017 at 1:20pm|
Let me see if I have this right: the West - in particular, the USA, France and UK - has spent over a century bombing, looting and invading the Muslim world (at first in the name of colonialism, then to imposing 'democracy' but always in pursuit of oil); arming and funding dictatorships - military civilian and monarchical from Egypt through Saudi Arabia to Pakistan to Indonesia, has invaded their countries and bombed the crap out of them. In spite of this, the West is blameless, white-hatted, should be loved by all? The West places - and replaces, often serially - quisling governments in power in Muslim countries to oversee the West's rape of their resources, using the political ideologies of 'democracy' and 'free-market' capitalism as a blind for pillage, and only 0.1% of those targeted by the West take an extreme oppositional stance to such behaviour? I'd say the West is way ahead of the game.
|TristanMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 1:26pm|
Just as I predicted.
Pauline Hanson's train wreck ABC Insiders interview.
Here's the full transcript.
“Pauline Hanson joins Insiders”
(ABC Insiders 5 Mar 2017)
Hanson supporters have called up ABC radio and claimed Hanson was misquoted and misrepresented.
But there are Hanson's exact words.
Here's Pauline Hanson passionately defending cuts to penalty rates.
"CASSIDY: Now when you're in WA, what will you be saying about penalty rates?"
"HANSON: Look, this is a debate that we need to have with penalty rates. I love Labor's - what a bunch of hypocrites they are when talking about penalty rates. Labor has pocketed $73 million from those battlers, from those hard workers, over the last 10 years from the union fees."
"If you look at penalty rates and why it was brought in, because people had a full-time job through the week and they worked weekends. You went out to dinner or a weekend, that was something special."
"Now it's become a way of life."
"I had my own business. Now if you go into food retail, into a fish and chip shop, I'd have to pay $34 an hour to employ someone. Yet McDonald's down the road, they can only pay $26 an hour. Oh, this is the EBAs."
"This is what the unions have negotiated. So they are talking about looking after the battlers. It is a big furphy. And what needs to be debated here - small business, Barrie, they're struggling. If you can actually help them out with rising electricity costs, rent prices - I know of a chemist shop in Rockhampton $70,000 a month in rent."
"CASSIDY: So you support the cut in the penalty rates?"
"HANSON: I think, in principle, yes, I do - "
|continued..... TristanMelbourne,Mar 6 2017 at 1:30pm|
Stan Grant has a new show called "The Link" which replaces ABC 7.30 on Fridays.
Last Friday, The Link explored why Labor and Liberal were losing supporters to Pauline Hanson's One Nation.
They did vox pops down the street interviewing Hanson supporters.
They closed out with a female supporter who also praised Trump.
She likened Trump's speech to Hitler's and said at least it showed he loved his country.
|non voterMar 6 2017 at 1:44pm|
I listened to the Hansen interview on Insiders.
I can't help thinking Adam has picked out the bits that suited his already formed point of view. I don't care much for Hansen, but I do care how what she said is being twisted to mean something different. The press is supposed to report what is said. Not change it to support a particular view. Let the readers make up their own minds.
|theDudeMar 6 2017 at 1:48pm|
Hanson said that Australia needs a strong leader like Putin who loves his people and the country. Not those Aussie liberals who only care about the free market and nothing else pretty much. All manufacturing is gone, they did nothing to save it and there are many other reckless examples of that nature
|NellBendigo,Mar 6 2017 at 2:32pm|
Today we see the ongoing saga of the far right group the (not very) United Patriots Front in court after their extremist behaviour in Bendigo. They have known associates who have been involved in firearms offences. Cottrell has advocated for the use of violence and intimidation declaring democracy to be not working.
Both in Bendigo and today in Melbourne and last year in Melton their had to be a large police presence. While much of that has to do with keeping both far right and far left extremists from brawling there is also deeper threats from people who advocate serious right wing terrorism as we have seen in Britain and the US recently.
This is costly. Both in the policing costs which are considerable. But also for me personally in the reputational cost to my city. None of the three appearing in court today belonged to our community. The mosque has been approved and I am glad of that because knowing several of our Muslim neighbours they contribute to our community and as with other faiths deserve to have their place of worship as do other faith groups.